Help identifying old board - part I

Question
QUESTION: Hi Windlover,

A couple of days ago I acquired a couple of other old windsurfers with booms, masts and sails.

I'm splitting this question into segments so the replies don't get confusing.


I think the first board is an old BIC.  There are several places where the plastic ( mast track and footstrap attachments ) say BIC on them.

Here are the photos of it:

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1806/p7030020.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/618/p7030022g.jpg

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/474/p7030025.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7382/p7030027.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4144/p7030028.jpg


The board is 10 feet long, 25 inches wide and has no daggerboard.

It has the ability to move the mast while under sail by stepping on a pad at the back of the mast track and sliding the mast fore and aft.

The fin was missing, but it appears to be a US Box and my spare fins that I acquired with my HiFly gatherings fit.

What lenght of fin would this board need?


As you can see in the photos, the mast base needs work.

One one photo you can see the part that goes into the mast, then on the other you can see the metal pin that goes into the mast track.

It looks like I could unscrew that metal part from the old base and then maybe take one of the Chinook bases apart and replace the bottom part of the Chinook with the metal part of the old base.  Then I would have a base that would lock into the BIC track and yet fit into my standard diameter US mast.

What do you think of that idea?


The booms are old and need to be rewrapped, but they are decent otherwise. BTW - do you have any suggestions on where to get the tape and how to do it?

The sails that I got with these boards were not in great shape.  

One was a 7.0 m2 KERMA Whiteline.  It has measurements on it for the boom at 220 and the mast at 510.  Is that 510 (since it is the only number) the luff measurement?

Here are some photos:

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/9379/p7030014.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6574/p7030016.jpg

It has some patches and the batten pockets are rough, but it looks like it might be usable for learning.


The other sail is a 6.0 m2 F2 Power Control with three CAMs.  

It has a boom measurement of 200 and the mast at 470.  Again, is the 470 actually a luff number in this context?

Also there is the word "NO" on the sail info:

You can see photos here:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5544/p7030017.jpg

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/5803/p7030018.jpg


What does the "NO" mean?


In a final note, of the two masts, the one I am guessing went with this board is 15' tall ( which translates to 457.2 CM ).  From other exchanges we had about my HiFly mast, I am guessing you would say that this is a 460 mast.  Is that right?

Also, given that my Pursuit sail calls for a 430 mast and a 26 extension (for a luff of 456), would you think that this mast would work with that sail and my short extension?

I'm hoping that the mast will work out for now until I can get a 430 and that maybe this board can be used as well.

Speaking of which, do you think it would be easier for me to learn on the HiFly ( 11' long with a daggerboard ) or on this one?

Thanks as always for your help!

Charles

ANSWER: Hey Charles,

I does look like a Bic board as they were the only company to use that style of footstrap attachment. Any fin about 12-18" should work.

Check online shops for boom tape. But, just to let you know, rewrapping a boom is not a simple task. Tedious, messy, and may or may not turn out decent. Lots of effort to remove old tape and a chore to install the new.

I have no idea what the 'NO' means.

Mast length is the old version of luff length.

The 460 mast should work for the Pursuit.

Any board with a daggerboard is the only type of board to learn on. Sailing without a daggerboard is a high intermediate/advanced level of sailing.

Hope this helps.
Keep on sailing,
Windlover

---------- FOLLOW-UP ----------

QUESTION: The 460 mast turned out to still be too stiff for the Pursuit.  So I decided to rig one of the other sails and see how usable they were.

However I ran into a big problem.

The ID of my regular mast (and my Chinook base extension) is 1 7/8".

The ID of the mast that came with the BIC is 1 3/4" (tightly) so my base extension will not fit.

There was a metal extension that came with it that does fit into the mast base.  You can see it here:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/70/p7050024z.jpg

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8396/p7050025.jpg

However it has a downhaul at the bottom and some connector below that which does not seem to connect to anything else that came with it.

I also don't see any way to connect that to any of my other equipment.

So I am not sure how to make use of this mast.

The other thing missing from the old mast was a cap to keep it from filling up with water.


One other thing.  In my other post, I mentioned the mast base that fits the track car on the BIC.  You can see it here:

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/437/p7030049p.jpg

The metal base looks like it can be removed (it is threaded).

I was thinking that I could take one each of these Chinook parts that you see here:

http://www.the-house.com/ch521zz-chinook-windsurfing-accessories.html

and here:

http://www.the-house.com/ch515zz-chinook-windsurfing-accessories.html

Then screw the base cup and universal on the metal part from the BIC.  

Then I would have a new mast base that would fit the BIC track car AND my regular Chinook mast extensions.

Do you see a problem with that ( or have a better idea )?


Thanks as always for your help!

Charles

Answer
Hey Charles,

The metal extension is an older type. There would have been a ring with a pin that was used to set the height adjustment. The pin would have been attached to the ring with a short piece of nylon line. The pin was just long enough to go through the extension with a small amount of pin sticking out on both sides. The ID of the ring was just large enough to fit around the extension and had two notches cut out that allowed it to slip over the pin and lock the ring in place. The bottom of the mast would sit against the ring. I'm guessing that you didn't get a ring with the extension? If this is the case, finding a replacement will be difficult.

At the bottom of the extension, a base like this;

http://www.chinooksailing.com/products/index.php?cPath=2_31_32

would slide into the extension and the pins would lock the extension to the base. The pins in the bottom of the base are just an extra set of pins. It also looks like the pins are a bit smaller than Chinook pins. If you found a ring and wanted to use this extension, you could change the Chinook pins with the extra set or, the better solution would be to drill the holes on the extension to fit the Chinook pins.

You are on the right track for getting the Bic base set up to work with a Chinook base & extensions. It is always good to replace old u-joints with new.

Hope this helps.
Keep on sailing,
Windlover