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QUESTION: I think this would pertain to all baseball and softball.
A ball that lands foul initially in front of 1st and 3rd base but ends up in fair territory between and in front of these bags is then considered a fair ball.
It can't find where it states this directly, but is described an infield fly rule, of out, if this occurs. Foul first finishes in fair territory--FAIR BALL!

ANSWER: Hi John,

It probably would but I don't do baseball rules at all.

A bb that settles or is 1st touched between home and 1st or 3rd in fair territory is a fair ball, doesn't matter where it 1st lands.

The same is also true in you insert foul for fair.

The ASA rules don't state that directly for an IF with a specific rule but it goes back to the def of fair and foul ball.

In fact a couple weeks ago I saw an IF called, the pitcher roamed toward the line, decided not to catch it (and didn't touch it), ball hit fair and rolled foul (betw home/3rd) foul ball!  no IF

mark

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QUESTION: In one of softball games, with the bases loaded and 2 outs, the batter hits an inside the park home run. After all that there was an appeal the runner that was at second missed 3rd base. The umpire ruled he missed it and called him out, but said the runs behind him, on first and the batters, counted because they scored before the 3rd out was called on the runner missing 3rd. Should those runs count?

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HI John,

Actually NO runs would score, not even the runs in front of him in this case.  

When the 3rd out of an inning is a force out, and in this case it is an honored appeal to a missed base to which a runner was forced, the offense gets nothing, zippo!  This is not a timing play.
 
Plus even if this was not considered a force out but rather R3 (not R2 as in your play) missed 3rd, by rule no succeeding run would score, so the offense would only get 2 in that case, not 3.

The umpire needs to read ASA RS 1-j plus the rest of the book

Mark
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