Ebonite Infinite One layout

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QUESTION: Hi! I would like to ask for the best layout for Ebonite Infinite One. Its a used ball from my brother we are almost identical in measurements but before I fit it to my size I want to be sure of the layout. Presently I get a flat hit even in strikes I wanted a more power into the pocket. Present layout is pin next to ring finger with mb 70 degrees next to thumb with balance hole to the right of the thumb on val. Here's my idea since its a low rg ball can I use this layout?- pin between fingers 41/2 from pap mass bias 45 degrees or 3inches to the right of thumb using a 2 inch pin buffer. For your suggested layout and comments thank you

ANSWER: Armando,
Not knowing anything about what you do rolling a ball, suggesting a layout is premature.

What's the surface like? A simple surface tweak may give you enough additional pop on the back end to satisfy your needs. It sound like the layout in the ball could be strong (sounds like a double thumb), but PAP and tilt and rotation will tell. How hard do you throw the ball?

If the pin is between the fingers of your ball, is your PAP 4 1/2 away? How much up from the midline?

Before we can really discuss any specific ideas, knowing what you do or knowing what works for what you do would be helpful.

Thanks for the questions. Tell me more.

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QUESTION: The answer made it even more interesting first I'll answer some of your questions but I'm afraid the others I can"t. The surface I tweak to 1200grit. Still flat when it hits the pin. I'm a stroker with 18 registered in the monitor when it comes to ball speed I suppose.Ball's not mine so I need a layout recommendation before I replug and drill. With regards to pap and tilt and rotation I'm lost at that but here's my idea which I use everytime I let the driller drill the ball- with regards to pap i used 33/8" distance from pin if i want more hook and 5" if i need a little lenght before the hook. My tilt on the other hand I think is average as far as track I am a medium track player well thats the best I can give technically bout my shot. But what interest me from your answer is the distance of the pin from the midline is it a factor since I know of pin buffers but distance of pin from midline up is new to me what does it do? And again thanks for a quick reply hope you can give me a trick layout seems interesting too.

ANSWER: Armando,
A strong rough surface maybe what's causing the ball to quit. What is the pin to Positive Axis Point (PAP) of the ball now? Can you tell me what your PAP co-ordinates are?

Can you smooth out the ball and try it again? Smoother or shinier can retain some energy and give you more for the move downlane. Keeping the surface rough, helps the ball slow down when and where you need it to, but too rough and it bleeds off energy way to early. Many of the performance balls new for this season have some variation of a rougher base finish with a little smoother finish or some polish (like last years Hammer Jigsaw 500 and 4000, or the new Columbia 300 Complete Bedlam (finished to 1000 then polished).

The medium track tells me a little, but knowing your axis tilt and axis rotation would be better. You're a hard throwing guy and you track medium, so more track flare would help and a strong weight hole position would too. Is the ball a big pin (4 or more inches from the pin to the Center of Gravity (CG))?

If your PAP is up from the midline you track lower, more axis tilt (something you've said and I thought was likely). A smaller pin buffer puts the core of the ball in play more dramatically. So, instead of just over the fingers put the pin high enough to have a 1" pin buffer. Strong leverage pin to PAP, strong pin buffer, and strong weight hole placement should allow you to play with the surface until the ball reads the lane effectively. I'm still not as comfortable as when I know what you do. Taking elements and slapping them together in a layout is NOT the ideal way to set up a ball.

What kind of ball and what layouts have worked for you best? What are you needing the ball to do? Is what you're seeing from the Infinite One close?

Thanks for the additional info.

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QUESTION: Warren hi! its even getting more interesting now well I think I'm getting close to what I want. Okay first answer to your question I have a brunswick igniter my benchmark go to ball whether heavy to medium to light its my confort zone. You know what I never did even tried to ask the pin to pap distance but here's something the layout is pin up in between the middle and ring finger cg kickout. Its gives me flare of average of 5 rings always. My guess is my igniter has a 4-5" pin to pap distance, igniter has a 3 inch pin.And I tweak it smooth 1200grit Hope it helped. Now the infinite one has a 21/2 inch pin I did smooth the 1200 grit of the infinite one and it did went long but still flat. What if I go to 2000grit a little shine it might go alittle more long and store energy to give what I want. Thanks again

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Armando,
Try smoothing the ball to 2000, roll it. Then if the backend isn't improved enough hit it with a little polish. Your Igniter had a buffed compound finish and is a pearl, which ended up smooth. You've changed it to a rough buff, 1200 finish? With a skuff pad? What kind/grit?

Depending where your track is, in relation to the grip/the pin, you could have a 3 inch or 5 inch pin (to Positive Axis), BIG difference.

How far from your middle finger is the closest track ring? How close to the thumb? The pin above your fingers could be positioning the core to help too late. Without knowing your PAP, and knowing your speed, and ball surface, I'm concerned the layout is not as strong as it could be.

Does your driller know your PAP? Still some unanswered questions. I can outline strong positions, but without knowing EXACTLY how you roll the ball, we could be putting the core in a very early position (ball has a tendency to roll out - like you describe) or very late position, where the core is parallel to the ball track and causing the ball to lope down the lane too long. Let me know.